How much should a generator produce for a VAZ?

In order for the car to work properly and not fail on the road, the car owner must constantly monitor the technical condition of his “four-wheeled friend,” while paying a lot of attention to the car generator. If the unit fails, the battery will not be able to receive electrical recharging, and as a result, the car will work only from recharging the battery, the reserve of which will be enough for a short period of time.

As soon as the battery supply is depleted, the engine will stop functioning and the car will simply stop, anywhere. In this case, the car owner will have to look for a lot of money to purchase a new generator, as well as to check and install it. But the process of monitoring technical serviceability, in which the most important thing is to monitor what voltage the VAZ-2110 generator should produce when driving, will help save money and know that the car will not let the owner down under any circumstances. If you notice that the generator is working intermittently, then you need to check the functionality of the unit, especially since it is quite simple to carry out such a process yourself, taking into account the advice and recommendations of professionals in their field. However, before work, the car owner must familiarize himself with some rules that will help check the serviceability of the unit without damage.

How much should the generator produce to properly charge the battery?

Constant undercharging of the battery or its absolute discharge at the most inopportune moment is a headache for many car owners. One source of these problems may be the generator. But how to check it? Perhaps it's not his fault at all? Let's figure out together how much the generator must produce for the normal functioning of all car systems and maintaining the battery in a charged state.

Let's sum it up

In modern cars, wiring problems are quite common. This is a problem that can actually cause significant trouble. You need to be aware that you should not go on a long journey in a car with electrical problems. Also, you should not continue to operate the machine when such problems have been discovered. And if in one car we are talking about a simple feature of the generator, then in another case it will be important to take into account all the technical aspects of the electrical wiring, each consumer and other factors. Only specialists can deal with these problems.

The cost of repairing the electrical network at a good service station will depend on the causes of the breakdown. Sometimes it is enough for specialists to replace a failed relay to correct the situation. Otherwise, it is necessary to repair the generator, change or remove certain electrical consumers from the system. Therefore, the final costs depend on the problems identified during diagnosis. It is important to remember that any problems should be corrected quickly enough, otherwise problems with the vital organs of your car may occur. Have you ever encountered such problems?

How to check the operation of the generator

The battery in a car is an important element of the system, which is responsible for providing the car’s on-board network with electricity. The generator is used to charge the battery while it is active. Unstable operation of a device generating electricity causes a voltage drop in the network and failure to restore the capacity of the power source.

Normal generator performance means timely and complete replenishment of the battery charge level, which decreases under load. Checking the battery charge level from the generator is simple and can be done by the car owner himself.

Diagnostics of an automotive energy-generating device includes a visual inspection of the unit, its elements and related parts, as well as voltage and current measurements. At least twice a year, you should check the tension of the drive belt, excessive weakening of which leads to a decrease in the performance of the generator, and sometimes can lead to breakdown of the device. Once a year, you can check equipment elements - fasteners, diode bridge, voltage regulator and others. Timely maintenance of the battery will also guarantee the absence of problems - cleaning the terminals, adding distilled water.

Diagnostics of indicators such as voltage, current, resistance are also necessary twice a year. To carry it out, you will need special devices - a voltmeter, multimeter or load fork.

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1 Topic by alex-rzvk 2017-02-07 21:48:49

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Topic: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

Good evening! Arriving at my relatives in the village and having skidded quite a bit in the snow, I sat down the battery. because I didn’t have a charger on hand, so after letting it sit for 2 hours in a warm place, the car started up. Halfway down the road, with the heater, low beam, fog lights and music on, suddenly the instrument lighting went out and the music stopped. Having turned off everything except the stove, I reached the house and took the battery to charge. Within a day the charge was zero. Deciding that the battery was completely dead, I bought a new one, and in addition bought a multimeter. I installed it, started the car, measured the voltage - 12.5, when normal, I subtracted 14-14.5. Well, I think the generator has failed, I removed the terminal from the battery, it works, although the speed itself raised to 2 thousand, and the ominous “check” lamp came on in the tidy. I threw off the marks, called back a couple of times, the “check” still didn’t disappear. Tell me, has anyone encountered this problem? p/s The battery charge indicator lamp lights up when you turn the key, but goes out after the start.

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

poor generator to engine ground. Measure the voltage at the generator itself.

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

Maybe the voltage regulator has failed? When the battery was dead, when I tried to start it, the sound was as if the relay was shorting (I thought it was a retractor) and the alarm was blinking, as happens when you just picked up a brand

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

Maybe the voltage regulator has failed? When the battery was dead, when I tried to start it, the sound was as if the relay was shorting (I thought it was a retractor) and the alarm was blinking, as happens when you just picked up a brand

The voltage has dropped, and that’s all the “clacking” sounds. The check will go out over time, as there is a power supply error. Well, from the beginning, the belt is normal, it was slipping, maybe there was some snow and that’s why it weakened??

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

The belt tension is normal, the belt is new, just changed in the fall

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

call the voltage from the gene to the battery

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Re: Resolved: Battery is not charging, voltage is 12.5 instead of 14 V

krasnopolskaya.y , can you test the wiring from the generator to the battery for resistance?

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What kind of charging should go to the battery from the generator?

It is traditionally believed that 13.5-14.5V should be supplied by the generator to the battery and this is absolutely enough to replenish the battery costs.

It is worth considering that using a battery with a higher power in a car than the manufacturer recommends also requires the installation of a more productive generating device.

It is necessary to take into account the load that the generator must withstand - it is calculated based on the maximum indicators of all electrical appliances and car systems.

Do not forget that the charging current from the energy-generating device will allow you to start the car in the cold season. In order to avoid problems with starting the car, we recommend purchasing generating equipment, the charge current of which will be approximately 10% of the capacity of the power source. That is, a battery of 100 A/h requires a generator that can produce 10A. Please note that for many cars, 100 amp equipment will operate at its maximum capacity, because the power consumption of the automotive system is in the region of 80 amps. Therefore, the choice of a source generating energy must take into account both the battery capacity and network consumption.

About regulators

Structurally, tablets that control the voltage in the generator are capable of increasing the current to 13.6 volts. It is known that there are two schemes for connecting the regulator: old and new.

The old circuit is a more reliable option, which does not increase the voltage too much, but also does not allow it to drop to critical values. But the new one - although it is completely copied from the old one, has many shortcomings.

Chronic undercharging of the battery is precisely the drawback of the new scheme. Starting the engine becomes problematic in the cold season. Owners have to install preheaters or come up with something else.

Poor quality regulators force the battery to absorb energy only in the summer, i.e., at above-zero temperatures. In winter, especially if you make short trips by car, the battery does not have time to warm up, at least to 0, and periodically discharges.

Experienced motorists recommend driving for at least 20-30 minutes in winter to restore the battery.

So how is the problem solved? Obviously, the best option is to increase the voltage in the on-board network, but how to do this? It is necessary to make the tablet “believe” that there is supposedly low voltage in the network. Thus, we will ensure that the gene produces the missing voltage.

Low voltage in the vehicle's on-board network can be caused by the presence of a large number of consumers. For example, if you use a powerful speaker system with a subwoofer and amplifier, voltage dips are inevitable.

Instead of a diode, you can also use special regulators that produce three voltage values, depending on the air temperature: 13.2, 13.9 and 14.5 volts. There are three modes: summer, spring/autumn and winter.

We recommend viewing the table, which shows data on the normal charge of the battery and the standard operation of the generator.

How to check the alternator voltage on the battery

The potential difference can be diagnosed in two ways - directly at the generating equipment and through the battery. The generator is directly connected to the power source with a thick wire, therefore, to check the level of potential difference, you can measure the voltage at the power source. To do this, you will need special devices - a voltmeter, multimeter or load plug.

The wires of the first measuring instruments are connected to the battery in any sequence. The plug must be connected to the battery terminals with strict observance of polarity. It is generally accepted that the normal voltage in the network should not be lower than 12 volts. At idle speed without turning on all the electrical appliances of the car, this indicator should be at the level of 13.5-14V. A drop in voltage values to 13.3-13.8 volts is considered acceptable.

At the same time, using conventional testing equipment, you can check the resistance of the generator elements - rotor, stator and diode bridge. Diagnostics of rotary equipment is carried out by its winding. It is necessary to connect the probes of the device with slip rings. If the multimeter gives readings from 2, 3 to 5.1 ohms, then this element is working. The current consumption of the winding should be within 3-4.5 amperes.

Its normal resistance is 0.2 Ohm. The diode bridge is checked by the presence or absence of resistance, the indicators do not matter. The only thing worth considering is that there should not be a zero dimension. Measurements are carried out in pairs - positive output and all plates on this side or minus and all elements.

We remind you that for normal charging of a car battery, the voltage supplied by the generator must be from 13.5 to 14 volts.

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The voltage regulator should not allow values to drop below 13.8 Volts. Such indicators can be achieved using an additional diode, which is included in the electrical circuit. This element is not used in the on-board network at normal values.

If there is not enough electricity, then to activate the diode it is enough to turn on the toggle switch. With the help of such manipulation, the voltage regulator is deceived.

When choosing and installing a diode, you need to consider the following important points:

the device must produce at least 5 Amperes;
strictly observe polarity when connecting;
this element must be placed outside the generator to prevent it from overheating;
It is better to choose the silicon version of the diode.

To complete the work you will need:

terminals with male-female wires;
heat shrink insulation;
diode.

First, connect the terminals to the diode ends. Solder the “mother” terminal to the negative terminal (cathode) with a strip on the body, and solder the “male” terminal to the positive (anode) terminal.

Place the resulting structure inside the heat shrink tube.

Connect the device to an electrical circuit. Connect the negative “female” terminal to the relay-regulator, and insert the positive wire with the “male” terminal into the diode bridge connector.

Having completed the above steps, you need to assemble the circuit to the end and check the electrical parameters when the generator is running. As practice shows, this method, despite its simplicity, is distinguished by its reliability and reliability.

How many amperes does a car alternator produce per battery?

The current strength required by the electrical system of each car is individual and depends on the number of electricity consumers and their values. And also the charge current must be sufficient to charge the power source.

It is worth noting that ampere readings appear only when there is a load in the vehicle’s electrical system and, accordingly, the battery is discharged. After starting the car engine, the charging current is about 6-10 amperes and drops over time, because the battery is charging, taking on the main energy consumption. If you turn on additional equipment - headlights, radio or heated mirrors, you can see an increase in the charging current values.

When purchasing a generator, pay attention to its technical characteristics, which the manufacturer indicates on the case - that’s where you will find information about the maximum current that will flow to the battery.

In the table below you can see the approximate current values that the generator shows at different loads.

Table 1. How many amperes the generator produces under load.

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The service life of a generator varies greatly and depends on the quality of its workmanship. For example, a standard generator can last 140 thousand km, which is almost 10 years of operation.

Which generator is better to choose? First, decide on the manufacturer. It is much easier to find spare parts for Russian generators, while for unpopular generators it is almost impossible to find a replacement for a broken part. Decide on the current strength. From the factory, the tens generator has a current strength of 80A, this is quite enough even if there are additional current consumers. If the generator is missing, then first try to inspect it and clean the contacts. Powerful 120A generators are installed, as a rule, when the car has “strong” acoustics; they do not harm the battery. Anyone who wants to install a 3-level voltage regulator (VR) in the future is recommended to first determine on the manufacturer’s website which generators it is structurally compatible with. They say that generators with the numbers -03- at the end of the model number have a new model LV, which is better than the old one. Also, pay attention to the presence of a guarantee, then you can easily exchange the generator for a new one in case of a defect. By the way, the defect rate of generators is almost 25-50%!

Signs of a generator malfunction

In modern cars, breakdowns of the electrical system are one of the most common. A large number of electronics requires particularly careful monitoring of the operation and condition of the generator and battery, because their failure can immobilize the car. The most common signs of a generator malfunction are:

battery indicator light on the instrument panel;
unstable operation of the battery (its boiling over or undercharging);
different intensity of headlights;
extraneous sounds from the generator.

If you notice incorrect operation of the car, then perhaps the battery charging current from the generator is insufficient.

All malfunctions of electrical equipment, which includes the vehicle’s energy-generating device, are mechanical (deformation or breakage of fasteners, housing, malfunction of bearings, pressure springs, drive belt, etc.) or electrical (winding breaks, diode bridge malfunctions, burnout or wear of brushes , short circuits between turns, breakdowns, etc.).

Don’t write off a non-working generator: find out if there are repair kits and spare parts. Replace them if possible. If you cannot carry out repair work yourself, then take the generator to a workshop. Many craftsmen will be able to restore the unit at no extra cost and in the shortest possible time.

However, some breakdowns require the purchase of a new device that generates electricity. For example, a failing bearing that is soldered into the generator housing cannot be restored or replaced in most cases.

Remember that failure of this unit can be caused not only by wear and corrosion, but also by poor quality of elements and components; excessive load; external influence of salts, liquids, temperatures.

Ways to troubleshoot battery problems

First of all, you need to check the battery charging while the engine is running. During normal charging, the voltage will be in the range of 13.6 - 14.2 Volts. If the charge is weak, the value will be below 12 Volts (the author of the video is VAZ 2101-2107 repair and maintenance).

To troubleshoot problems, you need to prepare instructions with a diagram of the electrical equipment of the VAZ 2110 car and the necessary tools:

pliers;
flat and Phillips screwdrivers;
multimeter;
12 V indicator light;
knife;
sandpaper.

Checking the battery in a car There are the following troubleshooting methods, which can be determined by how the battery light lights up and goes out:

If the charge indicator on the dashboard does not light up, this indicates that the battery is low. The reason why the battery is not charging may be due to oxidized contacts. The contacts on the battery should be cleaned. If this does not help, you need to measure the voltage at terminal “30” of the generator. To do this, one probe must be connected to ground, and the second to terminal “30”. If the flowing current greatly exceeds the charge on the battery, it is necessary to clean the terminal on the generator. It is possible that the wire connecting the generator to the device needs to be replaced.
If the voltmeter on the dashboard and the warning light show that there is a charge, but the battery is discharged. In this case, the charge at the terminals is within normal limits, and when the equipment is turned on, the charge arrow occupies the extreme left position. This indicates insufficient tension on the generator drive belt or damage to it.
The battery may not charge due to a breakdown in one of the diodes, as well as a break in the starter winding. In this case, with the ignition off, use a multimeter to check the diodes and, if necessary, replace them.
The battery is not charging, but the indicator does not light up and the charge sensor does not work. The reason is a blown fuse F10.
If the ignition is on, all devices are working, the charging indicator does not light up, and there is no charge, then you need to check the generator. To do this, remove the wire from terminal “61” on the generator and connect it to the car body, which will act as a “minus”. A lit battery indicator indicates a problem in the excitation winding of the generator device. The reason may be poor contact at the connection point. In this case, you need to clean the contacts. If this does not fix the problem, it is possible that the cause is a burnt-out lamp.
When you turn the key in the ignition, the battery charging light comes on, but when the engine starts, it does not go out. In this case, there is no charging or it may periodically disappear, this indicates that the battery is discharging. The reason is insufficient contact in the place where the instrument panel is connected. It is possible that they have oxidized and need to be cleaned.
The relay regulator should also be checked. To do this, you need to apply voltage to the contacts from the battery. If it is 12 volts at the brushes, then the relay is working properly. Otherwise it should be replaced.
If the electrolyte level is insufficient, add the required amount of distilled water.
If the battery case is damaged or the service life has expired, it should be replaced.

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Other causes of low voltage

A small potential difference in the system is not always associated with a breakdown of the generator or a bad battery. If the diagnosis of these elements does not reveal any problems, then you should pay attention to the following:

condition of the battery terminals - connection density and oxidation;
electrical wiring problems - oxidation, violation of its integrity;
output contacts to electrical appliances;
correctly selected energy consumers.

Each contact must be tightly adjacent and intact, that is, there must be no formations (for example, sulfation) that will disrupt the flow of current. Incorrect connection of contacts leads to accelerated battery discharge even when the car is not running.

To improve the connection of the elements of the car's electrical system, it is necessary to clean all contacts and restore the integrity of the wires by replacing them or connecting them and wrapping them with insulating tape.

In conclusion, I would like to repeat that stable operation of the car requires constant monitoring of all elements, and the generator should attract special attention. The battery is charged from it and provides electricity to the entire car system. Pay attention to all elements: generator brushes, slip rings, voltage regulator, equipment winding.

The most correct measurements should be carried out when the battery is fully charged and in various modes. Remember that the manufacturer links the characteristics of the generator to the number of engine revolutions - they help produce a certain current.

Detailed video on how to check the generator:

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multimeter test diagram and step-by-step description

Inside each car there is a miniature power station - a generator, which is responsible for generating electricity. If something breaks in it, the battery will start to work incorrectly. The result is a suddenly stalled engine. For some reason this always happens at the most inopportune moment. To avoid being left without a car somewhere in the wilderness, periodically check the generator voltage regulator.

What is it, where is it located, how does it work

This part of the car is responsible for maintaining the voltage of the on-board network within certain limits. The regulator controls the ambient temperature, rotor speed, electrical load level and other parameters. It also protects the sensitive elements of the generator from overloads and is responsible for activating the field winding and other systems.

The product is located directly in the generator. Regardless of the machine model, the principle of operation of the regulator is the same - when the voltage increases or decreases, the component reduces or increases the excitation current to return the indicators to the desired level.

This is what the voltage regulator looks like

The most common causes of breakdown

Short circuit of the diode bridge or generator brushes. The result is a shutdown of the generator or a transition to uncontrolled voltage.
Stabilization voltage shift. In this case, the stability of the voltage is maintained, but it is constantly either low or high.
Oxidation or burnt contacts.
Changing the size of the gap between the contacts.
Relaxation of spring tension.
Problems with the windings - breaks or short circuits.

Breakdowns can be identified at an early stage - to do this, pay attention to the ratio of fuel consumption to the efficiency of the car. If the car consumes much more fuel than it needs, but works worse, most likely the problem is in the regulator.

A sure sign is the strength of the headlights at night. If, when driving at night, you notice that the intensity of the side lights and instruments has decreased significantly, it’s time to check the regulator.

What to choose?

In terms of popularity and reliability, the first places are occupied by manufacturers Bosch (Bosch), Denso (Denso) and Delphi (Delphi). But you should know that Katek (KZATE) (made by us) are also quite reliable and do a good job of their duties on the VAZ 2110, creating the required voltage. Maybe somewhere they lose against Bosch, but compared to the Chinese they are at their best.

VAZ generators of the tenth family:

So it’s difficult to say for sure which generator is right for you; the best one is the one that provides the necessary power to operate electrical appliances and charge the battery. If we take the advantages that Katek clearly has, then this is sufficient reliability, and also - what is important - the availability of inexpensive spare parts for sale: you can always buy at least a fuse, a pulley, an armature, a voltage regulator, an excitation wire, etc.