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One of the reasons for the appearance of extraneous knocks from the front right on the Lada Vesta family is a “tired” right engine mount. To solve the problem, the engine mount is lubricated, modified, or replaced under warranty. There are cases where the engine mount was replaced four times in a short period of time. In such a situation, there is reason to think about installing an alternative, reinforced right engine mount. Are there any analogues?
Vesta's standard right engine mount has article number 8450030109 and is offered at a price of 2,000 rubles. It is worth noting that it is used on VAZ engines. Lada Vesta with a CVT and a Renault-Nissan engine has a different original engine mount.
Currently, there are several analogues of this part.
- Reinforced cushions are installed without modifications in the standard mounting points.
- According to the manufacturer, reinforced supports are more reliable and durable, which eliminates the appearance of extraneous sounds over a long period of operation.
Hydromount from BMW
1. First version Stage 1
Engine mount 2495601 from BMW 3 (E46) was taken as a basis. The price is about 2800 rubles.
The peculiarity of the support is that it is hydraulic (the design uses not only metal and rubber, but also oil).
a) at idle, soft support: b) in motion, hard support: 1 – lower (expansion) chamber; 2 – throttling channel; 3 – upper (working) chamber; 4 – movable membrane; 5 – hydraulic support housing; 6 – damping fluid channel.
The difference between a hydraulic and standard support is demonstrated in the video:
The weight of the pillow is 1.76 kg.
vendor code
: 8450030109GIDRO
Price:
5300 rub. (the LEMFORDER 2495601 support itself costs about 2800 rubles).
2. Modified version of Stage 2.
The hydraulic mount itself is essentially the same thing with the addition of a guitar of the same manufacturer. Due to this, we managed to save some money, so the price increased only for the silent block itself.
Silent block from jikiu be21058, there are no analogues.
Price
: 5900 rub.
Buy
: withdrawn from sale.
Engine Lada Vesta
Products from the Dustershop77 range on the topic of the article:
| Name | Manufacturer | Price | Availability | Add to cart |
| DC1822-8200291355 | Crankcase gas recirculation valve Renault 8200291355 | Original | 6900 / 5500 rub. Discount: 4900 rub. | 2 |
| DC1644-140328698R | Intake manifold gasket H4M original 140328698R | Original | 700 / 600 rub. Discount: 400 rub. | 4 |
| DC380-ASAM-30376 | Lower radiator support cushion 7700430992 / 215081131R ASAM-SA 30376 analogue | Analogue | 150 / 100 rub. Discount: 80 rub. | 4 |
| DC919-226A41772R | Oxygen sensor lambda probe upper Duster, Vesta and other engines. H4M 1.6 226A41772R / 226901841R / 226906393R | Original | 4500 / 4200 rub. Discount: 3900 rub. | 1 |
| DC1211-8200132254 | Fuel injector for K4M engine original 8200132254 | Original | 2900 / 2200 rub. Discount: 1900 rub. | 4 |
| DC1321-161757436R | Throttle valve gasket H4M/F4R original 161757436R | Original | 1000 / 900 rub. Discount: 700 rub. | 2 |
| DC1738 | Fuel pump fuel filter mesh Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, Vesta, etc. 2.0 / 1.6 (Masuma) | Analogue | 800 / 500 rub. Discount: 350 rub. | 1 |
| DC619-8200048024 | Expansion tank cover original Renault 8200048024 | Original | 700 / 500 rub. Discount: 350 rub. | 2 |
| DC1398-30777 | Gasket for fuel pump ring ASAM 30777 | ASAM | 300 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 2 |
| DC1740 | Fuel filter for submersible fuel pump Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, Vesta, etc. 2.0 / 1.6 (LYNX) | Analogue | 2100 / 1800 rub. Discount: 1500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1766 | Throttle valve gasket repair kit K4M/F4R (large+small) Balakovo PTP64 | Analogue | 300 / 200 rub. Discount: 150 rub. | 1 |
| DC1746 | Membrane of the crankcase gas recirculation valve Renault Duster, Captur, Terrano, etc. (KVKG membrane F4R 2.0) | Analogue | 2200 / 1900 rub. Discount: 1600 rub. | 1 |
| DC981-FCR210114 | Electric fuel pump FRANCECAR FCR210114 | Analogue | 1500 / 1200 rub. Discount: 1100 rub. | 1 |
| DC1200-BK64105/30598 | Fuel pump ring with gasket | Analogue | 1000 / 700 rub. Discount: 500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1322-224332428R | Ignition coil 1.6 H4m original 224332428R | Original | 3500 / 3000 rub. Discount: 2600 rub. | 9 |
| DC1682-6001549070 | Fuel vapor absorber original 6001549070 | Original | 4000 / 3200 rub. Discount: 2800 rub. | 1 |
| DC1643-140323253R | Intake manifold gasket H4M original 140323253R | Original | 2000 / 1800 rub. Discount: 1600 rub. | 2 |
| LRT-002/6001548140 | Washer reservoir is not original, ANALOGUE 6001548140 | LOGEM | 1000 / 900 rub. Discount: 500 rub. | 1 |
| DC382-ASAM-30494 | Expansion tank ASAM-SA 30494 (7701470460) | Analogue | 1000 / 700 rub. Discount: 600 rub. | 1 |
| DC918-226A44171R | Oxygen sensor lower lambda probe H4M 1.6 Lambda probe Renault 226A44171R | Original | 32000 / 6500 rub. Discount: 5300 rub. | 1 |
| DC955-150100565R | Oil pump for F4R original 150100565R | Original | 7500 / 6900 rub. Discount: 6600 rub. | 1 |
| DC1314-135101KT0A | Front crankshaft oil seal H4M original 135101KT0A | Original | 900 / 700 rub. Discount: 550 rub. | 2 |
| DC1320-161191KA1B | Throttle valve H4M original 161191KA1B | Original | 35000 / 29900 rub. Discount: 28300 rub. | 1 |
| DC1664-21179113201000 | Fuel injector VAZ 1.8l 21179 original 21179113201000 | Original | 1800 / 1500 rub. Discount: 1300 rub. | 4 |
| DC2457-8200291355 | Crankcase gas recirculation valve - analogue 8200291355 | Analogue | 4000 / 2400 rub. Discount: 1900 rub. | >10 |
| 6001548140 | Washer reservoir Renault 6001548140 original | Original | 2000 / 1700 rub. Discount: 1500 rub. | 1 |
| DC957-8200665520 | Starter K4M 1.6 original 8200665520 | Original | 13000 / 11500 rub. Discount: 10500 rub. | 1 |
| DC1302-166008992R | Fuel injector for H4M engine original 166008992R | Original | 3500 / 2600 rub. Discount: 2400 rub. | 4 |
| DC1315-122791HC0A | Rear crankshaft oil seal H4M original 122791HC0A | Original | 2000 / 1700 rub. Discount: 1400 rub. | 1 |
| DC1889 | Upper radiator support cushion 215060007R analog | Analogue | 340 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 1 |
| DC1663-21120370501015 | Ignition coil VAZ 1.6/1.8 21129/21179 original 21120370501015 | Original | 1900 / 1200 rub. Discount: 900 rub. | 4 |
| DC1836 | Lower thin injector sealing ring Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina 21127-1139045R (1 pc.) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1837 | Valve cover bushing Vesta, Granta, 2108 (1 piece) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1838 | Upper thick injector sealing ring Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina (1 pc.) | Original | 25 / 15 rub. Discount: 10 rub. | 4 |
| DC1839 | Rings for injectors Vesta, Largus, X-ray, Granta, Kalina (set of 8 pcs.) Rosteco | Analogue | 340 / 250 rub. Discount: 200 rub. | 1 |
| DC1878-21080130704204 | Gasket for pump Largus, Vesta, X-Ray, VAZ-2108-2112 21080130704204 | Original | 50 / 30 rub. Discount: 20 rub. | 1 |
| DC522-233009370R | Starter for F4R engine original art. 233009370R | Original | 14000 / 10600 rub. Discount: 9900 rub. | 0 |
| DC1002-B208A03276 | Fuel injector for K4M DEKO engine B208A03276 (analogue 8200132254) | Analogue | 2000 / 1500 rub. Discount: 1300 rub. | 0 |
PRO.CAR support
First option: v1
Engine mounting rod with cushion and silent block assembly of our own design.
Price
: 3250 rub.
Buy
: link
Second option: V2 (hydro)
Price
: 6500 rub.
Buy
: link
Purpose and principle of operation
combined in one housing, which is installed on the receiver of the intake module.
DBP output signal
is a DC voltage in the range of 0.15..4.6 V, the value of which depends on the pressure in the inlet pipe. Using this signal, the ECU calculates the amount of air sucked into the intake pipe per cycle.
If a malfunction occurs in the sensor circuit, the ECU stores its code in its memory and turns on the warning light in the instrument cluster. In this case, the control unit calculates the amount of intake air based on the crankshaft speed and the throttle opening angle.
Support with two silent blocks
Tuningprosto presented a right engine mount with two silent blocks.
Price
: about 3000 rub.
Problem
As sad as it is to realize, West owners are not spared this problem either. Many owners notice knocking noises under the hood of the Lada Vesta, and they come from the right side.
As a rule, you don’t have to search for long, since the situation is well known. It appears on sedans that were equipped with engine mounts from the VAZ 21129. As a result, a whole cacophony of sounds began to be heard from the engine compartment, including knocks, clicks, squeaks, etc. Moreover, these sounds are so loud that they can be heard even in the cabin.
The knock from the support is quite loud
And the best confirmation of this is numerous videos in which owners of the domestic model demonstrate trouble.
And in this video you can hear knocks directly inside the car.
In addition, some owners began to “dig deeper” and found out that a similar situation occurs not only on Vesta, but also on other models of the Renault-Nissan Alliance. In particular, on the Nissan Qashqai. This is also confirmed in the video.
As for the Lada X-Ray, the hatchback has not noticed such a problem, even though its engines are the same as those on the sedan. The whole point is that X-Ray is equipped with different supports for the power unit.
Reinforced upper right engine mount
Vendor code:
M01VSSU00153
Manufacturer
: Russia
Guarantee
: 6 months per bracket. (there is no warranty on the rubber product, it is replaceable)
Installation instructions
The right airbag of the new model was tested over a mileage of 5 thousand kilometers; according to the test results, the following were discovered:
Positive points
:
- Some extraneous engine sounds are gone
- Starting off and shifting gears is smoother
- More precise installation holes in the pillow ebbs:
- Low cost of the rubber cushion (IT IS REPLACEABLE, the support becomes repairable, and repairs are inexpensive)
- Easy pillow installation
- More reliable design, unlike the factory one
Flaws
:
- The quality of the rubber component in the cushion leaves much to be desired (but since it is replaceable and costs 300-700 rubles depending on the manufacturer, you can always replace it, which is cheaper than buying a new support assembly, article number 21080-1001031)
- The support lacks any additional anti-corrosion coating
Price
: 3700 rub.
Buy
: link to VestaShop.
Solution options
In fact, there are several of them.
Contacting the dealership
In the event of a visit to the dealer, there is, as a rule, no clear solution to the issue of knocking from under the hood of the Lada Vesta. It all depends on the specific salon. Some centers simply refuse to replace them, citing the fact that this is not a warranty case. Others sent information about the defect directly to AvtoVAZ, but this is a rather lengthy procedure, and therefore not everyone agrees to wait that long. And the answer is not always positive.
Belarusian pillow
Made together with Lada Club Belarus (yes, this is the same Belarusian pillow). Its design completely replicates the factory version. This is done for routine testing of the airbag in the event of an accident. Unlike the original, in the modernized support the points at which the material is attached to the support body have been changed; instead of cheap rubber, the material has been replaced with more wear-resistant and technologically advanced polyurethane.
vendor code
: 8450030109-PU
Price
: 3225 rub.
All original engine mounts and analogues are presented in this store category.
Conclusion
: Do you want to be sure of the quality of the part? Choose original spare parts! However, not all analogues are inferior in quality to the original. Reviews here and under engine mounts in our online store, as well as a survey after the article, will help you make the right choice.
Manufacturers and prices of analogues
The cushions for Lada Vesta engines are considered by owners to be not particularly reliable and are even being modified to increase the effect of vibration absorption.
The TuningProsto studio is developing improved spare parts from AvtoVAZ, including a recent development - an engine mount. Their price will be on average 3,000 rubles, orders are still being accepted. The tests were successful, and on a car dealer's car intended for a test drive - the car is used very often.
Otherwise, there are no special attempts to create analogues, because the “craftsmen” have already drawn the attention of Vest owners to two modification options:
- Came from Renault owners. It is necessary to create for each problematic pillow a metal plate 80 mm long, 38 mm wide and two grooves on the sides measuring 23 mm wide and 38 mm deep. The funny thing is that the X-Ray, which is in many ways similar to the Vesta, has the same engine (21129), but there are no problems with the upper right support - it’s just different.
- If the part itself is still intact, it can be lubricated with silicone grease where the rubber hits the metal body.
Wear
The wear of the engine mounts is determined by the “crampedness” of those points of the metal body that take the blow, damage and the thickness of the layer itself - rubber will not dampen vibrations if its thickness is very small.
Cushion from Fiat Ducato
This support is installed on diesel Fiat Ducato with a volume of 1.9 to 2.8, therefore it is designed for a larger engine weight. The torque of this engine is 300 Nm.
The seller assures that:
- There is less vibration on it than on the original one.
- Longitudinal movements of the motor are reduced.
- The support fits properly without any modifications.
- The pillow is easily replaceable.
1 year warranty!
vendor code
: 8450030109-PU
Price
: 4400 rub.
Buy
: link
Check and test
I removed the lower fitting of the adsorber valve, the plug with wires. I applied 12 volts to the valve and it opened. When I removed the throttle, I plugged the hole on the back side. He took a cigarette and lit it. When the valve was open, I blew into it. With my other hand I blocked the second channel into the intake manifold. What do you think happened? Smoke came out of the hole.
As a result, I concluded that the connections of the tube going from the valve to the intake manifold were leaking. Therefore, air is sucked in in a large volume. Everything below the canister valve does not need to be sealed. This does not affect the operation of the Lada Vesta engine, since air flows freely into the adsorber through the white fungus.
Hydromount from Citroen/Peugeot
The design used a Citroen/Peugeot engine mount and mount.
One of the advantages of this engine mount is that it has replaceable components:
- hydro support (Sasic article number 8441771)
- guitar (Sasic article 4001714)
The components are not expensive and of sufficient quality.
Price
: 5650 rub.
Buy
: link
Replacing the rear additional engine mount
To reduce vibrations of the power unit, prevent knocking, and also reduce vibrations on the body, a rear support is additionally installed below. You can check the pillow by rocking it in the longitudinal and transverse directions.
Remove the engine protection, and then:
- Unscrew the nut (No. 7) using a 18mm wrench, holding the bolt from turning;
- Remove the bolt (No. 1) using the same tools;
- Loosen the bolt (No. 2);
- Remove the bolt and remove the rear support.
When installing, tighten the bolts to 90-120 Nm.
H4M rear engine mount:
Read on our website other instructions for repair and maintenance of Lada Vesta or XRAY.
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The pillow, also known as the Lada Vesta engine support, is a kind of stabilizer against detonation. Vesta car parts come in three types: left, right, rear additional - price from 1,400 rubles. The parts have a separate article number. Malfunctions: the main malfunction is a knocking sound from the support, usually knocking on the left. The left pillow is reinforced. It is important to adjust the engine mount correctly. During engine operation, useful energy is generated, which is used to set the Lada Vesta car in motion. The movement of the “insides” of the motor causes it to begin to create vibration. To “dampen” engine vibration, they place them on supports, which perform several more functions:
- increase sound insulation of the engine compartment;
- protect other parts and assemblies from damage;
- stabilize the position of the motor as much as possible (if the amplitude of movement of the motor constantly increases, this will lead to wear of the connections);
- protect the engine from the negative influence of the external environment (when the car passes obstacles, the suspension does not completely dampen rolling, and the struts act as additional shock absorbers).
Support MIKA/ROSTECO
It is worth noting that the Rosteco lower support could not be called high quality (see reviews). Time will tell how the right pillow will perform.
Vendor code:
21775 (cross number 8450030109)
Price
: about 2800 rub.
Buy
: link
Hydraulic support from Nissan X-Trail
In February 2022, the right engine mount (mount) went on sale, the design of which uses hydraulic silent block engine mounts from the diesel Nissan X-trail 2.2l.
Price
: about 4900 rub.
Buy
: link
Where to buy any engine support
: in our online store (category Engine mounts for Lada Vesta).
Which right engine mount for Lada Vesta would you choose? Leave your feedback in the comments, take part in the survey.
How to replace pillows on engines 21129, 21179 and HR16DE
On all three Lada Vesta engines, engine mounts are replaced using the same algorithm. The manufacturer has created competent unification thanks to adapter brackets.
Replacing the right support
The right support is the easiest to change. To do this, you need:
- Raise the engine slightly with a jack to relieve tension on the mount.
- Unscrew the support fastenings on the side members.
- Unscrew the bracket fastening to the engine.
- Remove the old support.
- Install the new one in reverse order.
It is most convenient to use a rolling jack, since the clearance of the Lada Vesta does not allow the use of another type of lifting mechanisms under the engine.
Replacing the left engine support on Vesta
Replacing the left engine mount is similar to the right one. To do this, you need to install a jack under the gearbox, lift it and unscrew the support fastenings.
To remove the support, you may need to remove the air filter housing and battery as they sit directly above it.
Replacing the lower gearbox support
The procedure is complicated by the fact that to replace it you need to be under the car, and in the pit it is not always possible to use lifting devices. A vertical hydraulic stand is better suited for these purposes. But in the garage, you can use a trick - place a board across the hole, and install a jack on the board.
In a similar way, unload the pillow, unscrew the fastenings and remove it. Installation is in the reverse order.
